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Salut, Dupa cum puteti observa, au aparut cateva probleme legate de tema. Imi bag pula in mortii si ranitii astora de la IP Board.

Phhh, eu citesc forumul noaptea cu ochelarii de soare pe nas.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/invert-page-colors/hjhdnhiofjddcapmffbllcpaodjmdphn/related

E mai mult un experiment, tratati-l ca atare. Daca lucrurile or sa mearga bine si iese ceva atunci o sa continue probabil cu un buget mult mai mare. Eu zic sa fiti curiosi si sa vedem ce o sa rezulte, guvernul actual face lucrurile intr-un mod interesant si se pare ca au curaj sa incerce chestii noi (cel putin pentru Romania).

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Am citit comentariile pana acum, am vazut pe unii care se impotrivesc acestui program, probabil tot ei sunt cei care se plang de aceasta tara, fara a actiona cand li se da ocazia. Eu vreau sa spun doar atat: Ii felicit pe cei care au ales sa se implice in acest proiect si sa incerce sa contribuie cu ceva spre schimbarea in bine a acestei tari. Eu cred ca la asta se rezuma tot acest proiect, in a vrea sa faci ceva pentru schimbare sau nu. Si apropo, eu sunt bucuros ca s-a ivit un asa guvern, in frunte cu Dacian Ciolos, care chiar incearca sa faca ceva pentru tara asta, si se vede asta de la o posta. In mod normal, nici nu ar fi existat aceasta oportunitate. Mare, mare pacat ca o sa plece la toamna.

Parerea mea e ca duci discutia intr-o directie mult prea corporatista. Pana la urma e doar o idee ceea ce propun ei prin acest GovITHub si cred ca ideile de genu' asta care se adreseaza in mare parte generatiei tinere ar trebui incurajate. Sincer eu nu vreau un "produs de calitate" a carui finalizare sa dureze 5 ani si sa mearga doar 3 zile din 7. Eu vreau un proiect acum, in prezent, care sa fie dinamic si capabil sa se adapteze in functie de feedback-ul primit de la useri.

scurt si la obiect. daca ai nevoie de cineva pe domeniul uman imi dai pm. nu sunt pe it si sunt din provincie. daca totusi apare o idee care considerati ca merita promovata fiecare membru rst are cu siguranta un canal, o voce pe online, un site etc.

Nu e un program dedicat reducerii birocratiei, cred ca il confunzi cu Comisia de Taiat Hartii. Pe site-ul ithub.gov.ro exista si cateva dintre aplicatiile propuse (exemplificativ). Cunosc foarte multi oameni pertinenti care m-au sunat si mi-au spus ca sunt interesati sa-si dedice cateva ore pentru aceasta initiativa, oameni ce merita incadrarea in "oameni pertinenti". Cum spunea si @M2G, e un program pilot. Ar trebui apreciat faptul ca nu se arunca 60 de milioane in program doar pentru ca suna bine, ci se incearca o abordare etapizata pentru a nu consumata bugete fantastice de genul proiectelor implementate in trecut. Programul e simplu: in 6 luni trebuie implementate cateva proiecte simple cu impact pentru a demonstra valoarea programului. Daca merge, va fi continuat, daca nu, mergem mai departe. Stiu ca sunt tentante dezbateriile de genul acesteia in care cineva e pro si altul impotriva, seamana enorm de mult cu o discutie Windows vs Linux sau Android vs iOS. Toti avem partial dreptate, dar la final nu exista nici un plus valoare adus energiei consumate pt dezbatere. Ce proiect credeti ca s-ar putea implementa in cele 6 luni ale proiectului? Care sunt asteptarile voastre? Am vazut ca @Domnul.Do a mentionat un proiect in prima postare vizavi de Responsible Disclosure, vreo opinie in acest sens? @gaddafi Te rog adreseaza aceasta intrebare pe formularul de contact de pe site, nu in acest thread. Sunt si eu voluntar in aceasta initiativa.

Putem face un topic dedicat in care sa manifestatam atitudinea standard de a fi impotriva la orice. Topicul asta am inteles ca doreste sa atraga opiniile celor interesati de subiect, nu carcotasi. Exista niste oameni prin ministere ce vor sa demonstreze ca se pot face lucrurile diferit, o sansa care nu s-a mai vehiculat atat de evident. Profitati de ea!

Cu toti am auzit de platforma GovITHub, dar inca nu ne-am mobilizat sa contribuim/lucram in paralel cu acesta platforma. Ideea mea este sa ca creez acest thread pentru a discuta neoficial diferite aspecte, pareri, imbunatari pe care le putem aduce, cat si filtrarea intrebarilor acelasi care ajung pe email oficial govithub@gov.ro Il voi invoca si pe @Andrei pentru a urmari periodic acest thread pentru a raspunde la unele intrebari sau pentru a duce cuvantul nostru mai departe. Voi evidentia cateva aspecte personale pentru persoanele care se vor implica. Pentru voluntari: -O sa fie o asemanare dintre platforma GovITHub si InternshipGov : Informatii despre membri cat si despre voluntari. Se poate folosi pentru comercializarea firmei sau persoanei implicate. Numele voastru trebuie sa apara in motoarele de cautare (blog, vblog, site) -Daca sunteti considerati o resursa, posibil sa lucrati cu membri indirect: colaborare cu alte departamente din minister. Sa nu v-a asteptati la o proportie de 1 membru cu 10 voluntari, ma gandesc ca sarcinile se vor imparti prin intermediari sau platforme de genul GitHub sau un custom open-source bug tracking software. Pentru bursieri (membri): -Proiectele o sa fie prin administratia publica catre cetateni, ceace inseamna ca o sa fie nevoie de un feedback mare din partea sectorului privat cat si sectorului asociativ. O sa fie nevoie de site-uri sau o alta metoda de contact pentru a primi feedback-ul. -Se doreste o transparenta, dar aici se poate subintelege si transparenta celui implicat in proiect. Abordarea mea o sa fie un blog unde pot sa scriu articole minimale periodice despre progresul/regresul proiectului, dar trebuie tinut cont si de confidentialitate: nu toate informatiile trebuie facute publice. -Costuri minimale, nu incercati sa reinventati roata. Costul proiectului se poate scade prin folosirea servicilor online gratuite, ex: daca aveti nevoie doar de site informativ (frontend) se poate folosi GitHub Pages. Nu este nevoie sa cumparati un domeni + gazduire. -Incercati cu proiectul vostru sa creati locuri de munca, sa atrageti investitori, sa faceti parteneriate cu diferite sectoare publice internationale, etc. Aceasta platforma este pe plan national, ceace inseamna ca are prioritate. -Ajuta-ti voluntari indirect, pentru comercializarea (nu spam) lor prin aceasta platforma. Posibil sa fie voluntati care nu sunt in domeniu IT, da-ti credite acelor persoane pentru a gasi un loc de munca mai usor in acest domeniu sau pentru cei care sunt in domeniu trebuie recunoscuta munca lor intr-un mod public. -Formalitatea, deoarece o sa fie intr-un mediu public. O sa fie multe departamente implicate in aceste proiecte, conduita si regulile de politete o sa fie un "must know" pentru a putea colabora. Pentru cei care vor sa se implice in aceasta platforma prin alte metode, va pot pune la dispozitie cateva exemple care se pot scrie la "Alta varianta": -Resursa:[Firma]:Server Dedicat Daca aveti resurse si vreti sa le donati pe o perioada de >= 6 luni, dar trebuie sa constientizati daca vor aparea probleme legate de server (uptime) trebuie sa suportati aspectul comercial negativ sau posibil si daune (sabotaj)?! -Traducator:[Frima]:Ro-* Nu pot spune multe despre proiectul meu acuma deoarece nu am aplicat inca, dar este lagat de https://www.ncsc.nl/english/security si are ideea de baza in acest articol , mai exact in: Va multumesc pentru atentia acrodata!

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Sa le luam pe rand: 1. @theeternalwanderer: Teoretic, open source suna exceptional si este exceptional, pana in punctul in care vorbim de BANI sau proiecte GUVERNAMENTALE care opereaza date cu caracter personal. DA, open-source deschide cai de audit extern, contributii si alte cele, dar haideti sa ne uitam putin la cazul Ethereum si la succesul ce l-au avut ei cu open source (proiectul intra la categoria bani). 2. @Domnul.Do : Eu nu sunt aici ca sa tai aripile tinerilor care doresc sa contribuie. Doamne'ajuta, ca e mai ok sa faca asta decat laba la calculator. Totusi, daca exista din partea guvernului asteptari la proiecte serioase, trebuie luati in evidenta si alti factori. Poti sa strangi tu 10 pasionati de programare si ei pot sa codeze exceptional, dar, cum ramane cu researchul pentru proiect? Presupunand ca vrei sa livrezi un produs de calitate iti trebuie un studiu de piata, iti trebuie INFRASTRUCTURA iti trebuie traininguri (ca nu toti candidatii sunt jack of all trades), ai nevoie de alpha testeri, ai nevoie de oameni care sa stabileasca un roadmap si multe altele. In toate stirile si in ce am citit, se pune accentul pe produsul final si pe faptul ca voluntarii o sa faca treaba buna, doar ca ai nevoie de mult prea multi oameni full time implicati in proiect, ca sa iesi pe piata cu o solutie viabila.

Daca ne vom intalni vreodata sa imi amintesti sa te servesc cu o bere rece si un pachet de tigari. Momentan acest thread pare sa ia contur, avem: un oficial, voluntari, troll si idei politice mai trebuie si un continut de calitate pe care il voi genera zilele urmatoare.

Mie imi place mai mult asa

dumneata in ce calitate postezi pe forum, raportat la proiect...

@hades am vazut suficiente application in-house si majoritatea, cu foarte putine exceptii, sunt deplorabile. Open source ar deschide auditul la un public mai larg. Oricum, open source si project mgmt/auditing serios nu se exclud reciproc.

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Eu nu ma pot obisnuii cu tema pe alb...de cand stiu rst-ul a avut si nuante mai "dark"

@Domnul.Do: Sunt total impotriva aplicatiilor open source folosite in sistemul public. Pentru a evita scurgerea de fonduri pe aplicatii de rahat, nu e nevoie de open source. E nevoie de project management si de auditing serios.

nu te agita. ciolos a aruncat si el o idee pe piata iar baietii au raspuns la apel....ca asa e in tenis.

@Andrei: Nu e vorba de atitudine standard 'anti orice'. E vorba de faptul ca infrastructura necesara pentru eliminarea birocratiei nu e o chestie care se naste din voluntariat. E nevoie de project management, bugete si oameni pertinenti. Oamenii pertinenti nu sunt ieftini in domeniul IT, dupa cum probabil stii asta.

Salut, Toata lumea 'busted a nut' cand a auzit de proiectul asta, uitand de scenariile in care website-uri precum http://mapn.gov.ro/ se faceau pe milioane de euro. Timpul meu inseamna bani, si vrajeala cu 'facem tara mai buna' a expirat in momentul in care am vazut ca pentru proiecte de cacat exista fonduri, iar acum se pune problema voluntariatului. Ah, bursele alea de 2k euro sunt sub pretul pietii. Lucrezi sub 4 ore pe zi si faci banii aia intr-o luna, in acelasi domeniu (IT), fara bataia de cap adusa de toti batranii din sistem, din confortul casei tale. Sunt curios de ce 'specialisti' or sa fie luati in program; Mai mult, sunt foarte curios de rezultatul final. Poate o sa fie tot o poveste gen Siveco & EDU.RO.

Sper sa nu existe niciun "project manager". Intr-un asemenea proiect sunt importante ideile si calitatea persoanelor care lucreaza la ele. Nu cred ca e nevoie de project manageri care sa complice lucrurile. Proiectele trebuie sa se dezvolte singure si sa se inscrie pe o directie. E o idee buna initiativa asta, dar acum sa vedem ce se va intampla practic. Peste cateva luni se schimba guvernu'

Eu cu laptopul meu am jucat gta iv la detalii medii, si am procesor dual core de 2.0 ghz, ram 3gb, si placa video e dedicata de 1 gb nvidia geforce ddr 3. Doar ca daca nu aveam coolerpad nu reuseam sa joc mai mult de 10 minute. Eu zic ca si tie iti merge, chiar mai bine decat mie. Parerea mea.

Sunt foarte multe persoane ce au aplicat, cred ca va fi o provocare si analizarea tuturor aplicantilor. In urma cu cateva zile erau peste 1,000 de aplicanti, intre timp sigur a crescut numarul acestora. Detalii despre program se gasesc pe site-ul oficial: http://ithub.gov.ro Ideea programului e destul de simpla: se da un buget mic, se definesc cateva proiecte simple cu impact in societate care sa poata fi realizate in timpul extrem de scurt al programului pilot (6 luni de zile); se aleg oamenii potriviti pentru a implementa aceste proiecte (spre exemplu daca se doreste crearea unei aplicatii web, sigur nu se vor selecta oameni cu inclinatii stricte pe zona mobile). La finalul celor 6 luni se vor putea trage niste concluzii daca proiectul a functionat sau nu, daca merita sa continue, daca trebuie un buget mai mare samd. Evident, cea mai importanta resursa vor fi oamenii ce au cunostinte de programare dar sunt necesare si alte cunostinte pentru ca acest proiect sa functioneze. Alte cateva informatii: http://www.mediascop.ro/dan-nechita-despre-proiectul-govithub-romania-are-un-potential-imens-in-zona-hi-tech-si-de-inovatie/

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